Curse

Lonesamurai · Mar 21, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by 0siris

What of all the efforts we have put into our characters? All the skill points we have farmed? Skills we have aquired? Titles we have attained? They expect us to forget about them and move on? Sure, they say that Gw1 will not be left behind, and they will continue to update it - but what good will the updates do when everyone will be off playing Gw2? <- that's what I think is garbage

I have put in many hours into guild wars over the last couple years, as have many of you I am sure. Some of you may not have a problem with leaving it all behind and moving on to greener pastures, but there are still some of us who are not comfortable with just giving it all up to start fresh.

and Lonesamurai, no I am not a mod. Just a contributor.

Ok, so you put effort into Guild Wars? and people wonder why they are burning out?

hell, the real pvp'ers aren't the ones that sit and grind, they are the ones that play for fun and know when to give up for the night, cos its a game

Oh and i consider myself casual, even with over 3000 hours, cos its a game and I've enjoyed it over other games

Winterclaw · Mar 21, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

The increased level cap is the worst thing about the new game. Extra numbers are meaningless. In terms of percentage, two 100 levels will still be knocking off the same chunks of health as to 20 levels. There's only an illusion of increased damage.

The second worse thing is that there'll be events that could be no longer accessible 48 hours after the game starts because some people rushed ahead and cleared them all.

Rhedd · Mar 21, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Stoneys Rock

Snoopy ftw

of course arena net are going to favor guild wars 2 over the original series of games. Simply because it new, why would they bother to continue improving balancing and expanding a game if their not going to get anything from it. The fact they stated the servers alone will remain online shows they are at least letting people play the original guild wars games.

If they start charging monthly (which I doubt) for the original its not going to be much just enough to keep the servers alive I would guess and the others will either continue along the original, quit and play guild wars 2 which doesn't have monthly fees. Or do something else completely.

Quite frankly why didn't you already expect arena net is going to improve an obsolete series of games. There's no point. They would step in if a big problem arose though they're not ogres

You'll get no argument from me. That was the whole point of my post.

I was just explaining that that no matter what anyone at Anet says now, the people that think that, two years from now, they'll be able to choose between playing GW2 or staying with a well-supported GW1, are deluding themselves.

Prowlinger · Mar 21, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

OMG! Thanks for all the info!

And does anyone think that "Gwen" is the Great Destroyer?

GW:EN = GWEN!!!

She brought the destruction of Ascalon ... she corrupted Shiro ...
She opened the realms of Torment and Destruction!!!

SHE IS COMING BACK!!!

Operations · Mar 21, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Ummm... for those ranting about the higher or no level cap.

Have you considered that every time you've seen the "________ has gained a skill point!" that that could be considered "______ has reached level X!"

I mean really... if you considered every skill point as a post 20 level, you might very well be over level 70 already. Kylden has 48 unused skill points, not counting the insane amount I've used already.

Theus · Mar 21, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

I do laugh at the people who think persistant world will help Guild Wars.

Better get ready for certain monsters to be spawn camped,Get ready to be mob trained,Get ready to be KS'ed,Get ready to have your items looted from you.

Cause its going to happen.It's a griefers wetdream come true..

Hmm.Perhaps I'll purchase it for that sole fact?And maybe invite some.."goon's".

Hah.I'll derive pleasure from the suffering of other players.How enjoyable.

raven214 · Mar 21, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by 0siris

What of all the efforts we have put into our characters? All the skill points we have farmed? Skills we have aquired? Titles we have attained? They expect us to forget about them and move on? Sure, they say that Gw1 will not be left behind, and they will continue to update it - but what good will the updates do when everyone will be off playing Gw2? <- that's what I think is garbage

I have put in many hours into guild wars over the last couple years, as have many of you I am sure. Some of you may not have a problem with leaving it all behind and moving on to greener pastures, but there are still some of us who are not comfortable with just giving it all up to start fresh.

I really don't understand this argument -- that if you can't transfer your character over to GW2 it will have been a waste. You choose to put that effort into your character. You farmed those skill points and you aquired those skills and titles. And for your decision, you can show them off/use them in GW. GW2 is a different game in a different time that will probably have different gameplay/leveling/character attribute mechanics. To me, you made those efforts as part of GW, not as part of any future game or whatever. The hall of honor or whatever it's called is plenty enough to recognize GW1 acts IMHO. If it's such a waste to you, please do not play any games ever -- as it will apparently just waste your time.

Alderin · Mar 21, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

My biggest question and concern for GW2 is, Will we be forced to play with other people?

Currently, it's not necessary, thankfully. I've been playing Guild Wars since June 2005, have logged over 4000 hours across several accounts on more than two dozen characters. I play with my fiance/roommate and either Hero's or Henchmen, and we've beaten each expansion as it's been released so far, with multiple characters. We haven't needed to go find 'pugs' every two minutes for this and that, and have only had to play with other people in cooperative missions and such that leave you no choice... and any alliance battle play or PvP that we've voluntarily done.
I'm just hoping that they don't change this, and that I will still have the option to enjoy playing the game without having being forced to socialize with a bunch of children that are less than half my age, an with whom I have nothing at all in common.

Mordakai · Mar 21, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by HalPlantagenet

I respectfully disagree. The source of the 6-month strategy was a clearly identified Arenanet representative (Jeff Strain?) in a published interview. I posted the comment and a reference on an earlier thread here. Do a Web search.

Ms. Gray's subsequent comments were clearly revisionist. And that's all beside the point, now. "Welcome to the real world."

Did Jeff Strain promise it or not?

It's a simple question.

Saying "we are planning" and "we are promising" are two very different things.

Prowlinger · Mar 21, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Also about the level cap... everyone calm down about it...
Just think about it people...

We all are levels above 20 right now.. it just isn't shown!!! I have 2 characters that are probably 74 and 139 right now.. but this doesn't mean much...

Just because the level cap is higher does NOT mean that things will change much at all...

Areanet are masters of balance in the GW universe...

Give them some time and credit... They DO know what they are doing...

And also it is a long time away... be polite... be fair...

Stoneys Rock · Mar 21, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

You'll get no argument from me. That was the whole point of my post.

I was just explaining that that no matter what anyone at Anet says now, the people that think that, two years from now, they'll be able to chose between playing GW2 or staying with a well-supported GW1, are deluding themselves.

well its only the BETA thats starting in 2008 not the actual game so it wouldn't suprise me if theres alot more added before then. So hell you may even see an auction house everyone has been moaning about in over a year (depending whenever gw2 is released)

^^; at the rate everyone is posting at you'd think its happening now lol

Cron0s · Mar 21, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

To be onest, I'm kinda disapointed of what ANet whant's to do with GW 2.
For my point of view, GW 1 is the oposite of WoW-no grinding, no pvp that favors the one that spends more hours farming, no more walking and walking till you get to a town.
And the thing's they said, prove that they want to change GW in a WoW game without monthly payment.
And the four races, make me wander if they'll be in some kind of different factions fighting against each other.

Got to be onest, GW 2 promises to be something else that what stands the standarts for a Guild Wars game.

And I'm very curios of the PvP aspect.Because they have to make somehow link the games. What I'm trying to say is how will the gvg be ? If GW 2 will be totaly diferent then GW 1, that would mean you won't be able to play gvg with the skills from GW 1 and the addons, and more yet, you won't be able to play gvg against team that down own the GW 2 game.

boko · Mar 21, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

To all those that say that they are gonna leave GW because they can't kep their char and gonna have to start over... well guess what? if u start another game, u still have to start over, may it be wow, LOTR or whatever other mmo is out there...

But with, GW2, you get to start over in a new world, with some familiar settings...and settings that you liked and kept you playing for a long time..

Face it, bringing char from GW1 to GW2 is gonna cause more bad than good...imagine the chinese farmers starting GW2 with 1mil from GW1... pointless ... and an unfair advantage...

David Spooky · Mar 21, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

Um, I'm trying not to be negative here, really I am, but facts should still be stated.

People have to PAY to play Lineage 1. That means that as long as people are paying enough to support the game, the game will be supported.

GW is free, except for expansions. Do you honestly think they'll make an expansion that ends GW1 and ties it directly into GW2, and then continue to make more?

Do you think they'll make more GW1 expansions after GW2 is live?

So what happens to GW1 servers, with absolutely no income? Well, someone wisely said that money from GW2 success can fund it. What if GW2 bombs, and everyone stays in GW1?

Even if GW2 is a huge success, where do you think Anet's effort will be focussed?

Gaile has said that they will certainly continue supporting GW1. I'm sure they will, but "support" is a very vague word. I'd bet money that it won't mean, "continue to improve, balance, and expand".

I used to give them the benefit of the doubt, and believe her, but well, I remember this guy named Charlie Brown, and this girl named Lucy, and this football...

It's going to be Diablo 2 when Blizzard created WoW all over again. D=

Diablo 2 is a Multiplayer Online RPG. Received a somewhat constant string of updates/ladder resets. When Blizzard made WoW they put their main focus on that game and continued to "support" D2. Look at how D2 is these days, they only recently patched a dupe method that lagged the game for everyone that was in effect since the introduction of the Ubers and the hellfire charm (might be wrong on the name). Aside form that they did no major updates and havent reset the ladders. (they could have at least done that to keep it somewhat fresh for everyone, nothing like the race for a ladder posistion to get you amped)

I seriously see Guild Wars going down the same path. Anet will keep on "supporting" Guild Wars but will "put their main focus" on GW2. Like this person whom I quoted said "support" is a very vague word.

Mordakai · Mar 21, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Theus

I do laugh at the people who think persistant world will help Guild Wars.

Better get ready for certain monsters to be spawn camped,Get ready to be mob trained,Get ready to be KS'ed,Get ready to have your items looted from you.

Cause its going to happen.It's a griefers wetdream come true..

Hmm.Perhaps I'll purchase it for that sole fact?And maybe invite some.."goon's".

Hah.I'll derive pleasure from the suffering of other players.How enjoyable.

Theus, Gaile responded to this fear. It's posted on page 1:

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, something near and dear to my heart:

We are not removing instances, not at all. There's no way we're going to buy into loot stealing, griefing, boss camping, and all that other stuff. (Excuse personal note here: I got my introduction to the downside of non-instanced missions long ago, in an early MMO. My friend and I finally made it into a major destination: a dungeon with a high-level boss. I looked around and then asked my friend, "Why are we standing here? Why are all these other people standing here?" He responded, "The boss spawns every six minutes. Looks like we have about 11 groups in front of us, so we'll be able to kill the boss, get the loot, and move on in just over an hour." I seriously and truly thought he was joking! He wasn't. )

Anyway, the design team firmly believes that instancing is a very good mechanic and instancing will be a factor in Guild Wars 2.

But here's the good bit: While we are including instancing in Guild Wars 2, we are also including persistence. This will allow you to take advantage of the many positive aspects of that presentation both in a social and gameplay sense.

Through persistence, we can offer "event chains," which are area-wide experiences that you can participate in, and which give rewards just like missions or quests. They're dynamic, and result in consequences to the world as a whole. I imagine one of our good PC Gamer analysts here will share the event chain example from the preview.

Sir Skullcrasher · Mar 21, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

wow, after reading about Guild Wars 2 and the incoming expansion. I'm very excited about the direction GW is going. I can't wait to get both Guild Wars 2 and the new expansion but one question I have. How much support would we get on GW 1 if most or all the players move on to GW 2?

Kisuro · Mar 21, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Theus

I do laugh at the people who think persistant world will help Guild Wars.

Better get ready for certain monsters to be spawn camped,Get ready to be mob trained,Get ready to be KS'ed,Get ready to have your items looted from you.

But... How do you know? Can you see into the future? Give me the lottery numbers if so. Since we only have a very slight idea about how the game is going to look like saying "it's going to be this and that for sure" does not seem to be very wise.

kade · Mar 21, 2007, 06:27 PM // 18:27

let's wait and see i say. Guild Wars 1 was incredibly successful given it was a brand new franchise. I don't think Anet has any intentions of ruining this success by making another WoW game. They haven't disappointed yet so ....lets wait and see

10 sentences on an online forum without pictures or any hard elements of the game laid down is hardly enough evidence to say that a game is going to be one thing or another. dont get yer panties in a wad.

NoChance · Mar 21, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I think a big problem is now that GW2 is announced, and we know GW1 will "die" ... a lot of people will slowly lose interest in GW altogether...

I think a lot of people will quit GW before GW2 comes out because, in a way, GW1 is "obsolete" -- yes, you can continue to get enjoyment out of GW1, and GW:EN ... but there will always be the psychological feeling that the game is obsolete -- there's a big difference between knowing the end will come, and knowing WHEN it will come. Our GW1 achievements have always, in a way been "meaningless", but now that we see this fact in the face, it makes us uneasy.

I think I will still want to get GW2 when it finally comes, but I already notice that I've lost a bit of interest in GW, GW:EN.

Commander Ryker · Mar 21, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

From what I read in the OP, it sounds like it should be called WOW2.